You can see a close up photograph of the hole at:
or view it as it appeared in aerial photos:
(US News and World Report, May 3, 1993)
(Newsweek, May 3, 1993)
Let's examine Clark's statement in more detail: " ... a hugh explosion blasted a hole several feet in diameter on the top of the concrete ceiling and several times that wide on the bottom of the concrete ceiling of the Church vault ... "
According to trial testimony and photographs taken after the fire went out, the hole in the ceiling was 18 to 24 inches across. But the concrete ceiling was only six inches thick--and Clark fails to mention this fact, giving a false impression of how much concrete was displaced by the force that made the hole. The concrete from a hole this size could not "bury" anyone, let alone "approximately thirty persons" in the fashion Clark suggests, below:
" ... crushing, cutting, burying and killing or injuring most of the approximately thirty persons in the vault ... "
In fact, there was little debris from the roof in the concrete room.
When the Texas Ranger in charge of recovering evidence at that site testified
under oath in the 1994 criminal case, he told the court the concrete room
was filled with three to four feet of exploded ordinance, not concrete.
See "Inside the Concrete Room," at
Moreover, the Autopsy Reports either fail to support or contradict Clark's assertions.
1. Aisha's Gyarfus Summers Autopsy Report (Mt. Carmel Doe 31A)
says the body was damaged by an explosion *after* death. See pg.
4, second paragraph from bottom of page, at:
2. From the states of decomposition of the bodies, we know that
many of the bodies found in the vault or concrete room belonged to people
who died on different dates. See List of Decomposition States:
3. Many of the bodies inside the vault or concrete room were found
without heads: the bodies of Judy Schneider, "Martin Child," Rachel Howell
Koresh, Rachel Sylvia, and Mayannah Schneider. (Mt. Carmel Does 51,
61, 67-3, 67-6, and 70). No bomb, no matter how "smart" can be relied
upon to selectively remove heads; given that we have been told the women
and children were lying down and sheltering under sleeping bags and blankets
in that room, the explosion does not explain the missing heads. See
"Problem of Missing Heads" at:
4. Explosions blow apart, they do not fuse. An explosion
does explain why the remains of eleven people (Paiges Gent, Lorraine, Rachel,
and Hollywood Sylvia, Star, Cyrus, Bobbie Lane, and Rachel Howell Koresh,
and three unidentified people) were found fused together in an agglutinated
mass inside that room (Mt. Carmel Does 64, 65, 66, 67-1, 67-2, 67-3, 67-4,
67-5, 67-6, 67-7, and 67-8). For further discussion, see "The Agglutinated
Clark speaks of a powerful blast, one which sent a "large fireball rising 160 feet." This bomb was powerful, but it was also smart. On one hand, it selectively blew heads off; on the other, it fused bodies together ...
5. " ... A large fireball rising 160 feet above the Church vault and the remains of the Church was observed and photographed by the media and others. Photos taken of the fireball confirm its size and location ... "
Wrong. Photos show the fireball was not centered over the vault
or concrete room, but in the area of the gymnasium. First, please
locate the concrete room or vault. To do this, go to the following
URL and look at the upper diagram. You will see the concrete "bunker"
This "bunker" is the concrete storage vault in which the bodies of the mothers and children were found. The bottom diagram shows the "watchtower" or three story residential tower. The concrete room was located at the bottom of the residential tower. Note the relative position of flag pole and the concrete room/residential tower. Facing the Mt. Carmel Center, the flagpole is to the right of the residential tower.
These photos confirm the relative positions of the concrete room/residential
tower and the flagpole. http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/fig/w_fig17.jpg
Now look at a photo of the fireball. Use the flagpole as an orientation
point. You will see that the fireball is NOT located over the concrete
room/residential tower. Facing the Mt. Carmel Center, the fireball
is to the right of the concrete room, near the gymnasium.
Clark continues: "Government reports state nine bodies of Church
members were found on top of the vault after the fire though the blast
would make this impossible." Impossible? Only if you accept
Clark's mendacious statements about the fireball's location and cause.
In fact, there is evidence that bodies were found on top of the concrete
room. See US News and World Report photo of May 3, 1993, showing
men with stretchers on top of the concrete room, apparently removing bodies:
Also see the following diagram, obtained in 1995 from Judge James Collier,
Justice of the Peace, Precinct 2, McLennan County, Texas. It is part
of the official record, and shows bodies were recovered from the roof of
the concrete room.
No, Ramsey Clark, you have been caught. The fireball did not appear over the concrete room/residential tower at all. You are contradicted by the evidence.
Partin is a retired Air Force man, well known for his extensive background in explosives. What is not well known is that for years Partin worked at the McDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Florida. This information was confirmed by a mutual friend of this writer and General Partin, who knew Partin "when he worked in the armaments laboratory at McDill. He worked long and hard, he is competent," said this mutual friend.
McDill is the headquarters of the Special Operations Command of the
US military. For some additional background, see:
Special Operations has a special relationship to the Waco Holocaust.
It was Special Operations helicopters that flew over the Mt. Carmel Center
on February 28, 1993, strafing the women and children's quarters with machine
gun fire. See:
The April 19, 1993 fire at the Mt. Carmel Center was fueled by petroleum; Special Operations characteristically uses petroleum (jet fuel) to ignite fires when demolishing targets.
In his affidavit, Partin says the hole in the roof of the concrete room was made by a breaching charge. (pg. 2) Breaching charges are narrowly directed explosions that produce no sizable kickback, making them safe to be used at close quarters. A breaching charge would be used a commando team to destroy interior walls or shatter doors in order to penetrate a target. A breaching charge that produces a 160 foot fireball would not be useful.
Partin says that after detonation the effects of the charge went "down into the vault where many women and children sought refuge but were killed." (pg. 3) Two paragraphs later, Partin says: "Had anyone survived the demolition charge, they probably would not have been able to escape the resulting fire in the vault [concrete room]." (pg. 3)
In this manner Partin says (a) the mothers and children were alive at the time of the explosion, and (b) they were killed by the explosion. He says this even though the Autopsy Reports contradict his assertion. For further discussion, see:
Partin then shifts to discussing the fireball: "The ground based color video, viewing the detonation from the front of the building, right of center and in line with both the flag pole and the tower over the vault, shows the explosion and subsequent thermal lifting of the residual billowing fireball in the vicinity of the vault." (pg. 3)
Partin clearly gives the impression the fireball was the result of the detonation of the breaching charge, but note that Partin only says the fireball appeared in the "vicinity," of the vault. "Vicinity" is an inexact term. It can be used to indicate substantial distances between locations: "Baltimore is in the vicinity of Washington, DC." Revisit the URLs cited above in "The Fireball and The Hole" (point 5) for diagrams and photos showing location of the fireball.
No, perhaps Partin could not be charged with perjury for saying the fireball was in the "vicinity" of the vault, but he was clearly intending to convey an untruth. The fireball arose in the area near the gymnasium, not the concrete room. And the idea that a narrowly directed breaching charge produced the enormous fireball over the Mt. Carmel Center is ludicrous.
General Partin, you too have been caught. The fireball was not caused by a "breaching charge" over the concrete room. (Footnote 2)
But someone should have showed Clark a diagram of the Mt. Carmel Center
and pointed out the bare ground to the left of the concrete room and around
the swimming pool. This bare ground clearly was ablaze during the
fire. Bare ground doesn't catch fire unless it is treated with a
flammable agent. The black smoke rising above the inferno tells the
secret: This inferno at the Mt. Carmel center was fueled by petroleum.
It was not a house fire set by candles and hay. It was a petroleum fire
typical of the fires set by Special Operations commandos when demolishing
The Waco Holocaust was, of course, a Special Operations military venture
from the beginning: the evidence has been publicly available for years.
You can see this evidence in the War Gallery at:
If Clark missed the obvious, we must ask another question: Who helped him do his investigation?
On the other hand, we might expect that Novel would protect his life-long
friends in the military/intelligence community--he is one of theirs.
It would be exceedingly naive to expect him to "investigate" Waco.
Novel admits his close ties to DIA. In an interview with the American Freedom Network on October 10, 1996 (as mentioned above, we have confirmed the authenticity of the interview with AFN), Novel spoke of his security company, Force One, which was in operation at the time of the Waco raid. "At the time I had General Daniel O'Graham, who's the, was then the ah, former Deputy Director at the CIA and the Director of Defense Intelligence Agency."
According to the AFN transcript, Novel said he (Novel) knew of the Waco raid three weeks before the event. He was told about the raid by "'a very close friend of mine, the former Special Agent in charge of ATF in New Orleans who had hired the four agents' ([who were killed entering the building.]"
This "close friend" -- according to Novel, Mike Hall, the man who conducted the siege of the Covenant of the Sword and the Lord in 1985 -- told Novel the Mt. Carmel raid would not succeed. Novel then called General O'Graham. Remember, according to Novel, O'Graham was at the time the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and on the Board of Directors of Novel's security company. "Danny, what is going on?" Novel asked. "He says: 'I don't know.' He says, 'but whatever it is,' he says, 'it's national security.'"
Later in the interview, Novel says: "I am very pro CIA and I can tell you that there are some good guys that still work for the FBI but not a lot of them."
Gordon Novel's name is mentioned several times by Jim Garrison in ON THE TRIAL OF THE ASSASSINS (above). During his investigation of the Kennedy assassination, Garrison found a trail of evidence which led him to a group of anti-Castro Cubans--and Gordon Novel. When Garrison was trying Clay Shaw for conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy, Garrison attempted to extradite Novel from Ohio to Louisiana for the trial. Garrison's extradition efforts were thwarted by Ohio officials.
Garrison cites a number of verifications that Novel was a CIA operative (pgs. 45, 193, 208-210, 266, 353). All in all, with his admitted ties to the Defense Intelligence Agency, his admitted admiration for the CIA, and the history Garrison provides, putting Novel in charge of investigation during the preparation of a Waco law suit is asking a defense contractor to investigate the Pentagon.
"WACO--For the armchair tactician, forcing an end to the 46-day Branch Davidian standoff might sound easy enough.
"Lob tear gas or other chemical agents in until the Branch Davidians are too incapacitated to fight and have no choice but to stagger out to waiting agents.
"Expose and limit their hiding places by crushing outer walls of the cult's sprawling Mount Carmel compound with Bradley fighting vehicles and 37-ton Abrams M-1 tanks.
"PICK OFF CULT LEADER DAVID KORESH WITH SNIPER FIRE AS HE PEERS FROM A WINDOW AND THEN TAKE THE COMPOUND WHILE HIS FOLLOWERS FLOUNDER."
There you have it--the FBI was planning to assassinate David Koresh
by shooting him in the head. What a pity Clark did not cite Hancock's
report along with Koresh's Autopsy Report. See especially pages 11,
12, 13, 14 and 15:
Koresh's Autopsy Report, of course, shows he died just as the FBI planned: he died of gunshot wounds to the head. Too bad Clark did not present this evidence in his law suit, particularly as he represented David Koresh's mother, Bonnie Haldeman. The presentation surely would have been compelling.
Dana Okimoto is called "wife" of David Koresh (pg. 8); Robyn Bunds is called "wife" of David Koresh (pg. 2); Nicole Gent Little is called Nicole Gent Koresh (pg 4); Michelle Jones is called Michelle Jones Koresh (pg. 6), and Michelle Howell Koresh (pg. 7) (David Thibodeau has claimed that Michelle was his wife. In his list of victims, Clive Doyle calls Michelle "Michelle Jones Thibodeau.")
Allegations that Koresh was a sexual profligate are carried forth in
the surnames Clark assigns to many of the child victims ("Koresh").
Children born out of wedlock typically carry the names of their mothers,
not their fathers. Even so, Clark can't even keep track of these
names and uses them inconsistently--evidence that Clark either does not
know or care about the names of the victims.
Dayland Gent is called Dayland Gent (pg. 5) and Dayland Gent Koresh (pg. 4); Paiges Gent aka Kara Brittani Little is called Paiges Gent (pg. 5) and Paiges Koresh (pg. 4); Serenity Sea Jones is called Serenity Sea Jones Koresh (pg. 5) and Serenity Sea Koresh (pg. 7); Chica Jones is called Chahka Jones Koresh (pg. 5), Chahka Koresh (pg. 7), and then Chica Jane Koresh (pg. 19).
Even within David Koresh's family, Clark can't keep track of the names: Rachel, David Koresh's wife, is called Rachel Jones Howell Koresh (pg. 6), Rachel Jones (pg. 7), and then Rachel Jones Koresh (pg. 19); Cyrus Howell is called Cyrus Ben Joseph (pg. 5) and Cyrus Howell Koresh (pg. 7); Star Howell is called Hadassah Howell (pg. 5) and Star Howell Koresh (pg. 7).
In the July 1, Order, Smith dismissed Bund's and Okimoto's spousal claims on the basis that they were not married to Koresh but did not comment on the invented names submitted for the other women and the invented names submitted for the children. When beasts of the field are slaughtered, do their names matter? Apparently, neither their lawyer nor this judge think so.
During the course of this 1994 trial, the judge saw many diagrams of the Mt. Carmel Center. He knew the location of the concrete room. He must have seen photos of the fireball. He must have known the fireball was in quite a different location--not over the concrete room at all. Yet in his July 1 Order, Judge Smith let Clark and Partin's false reports unchallenged, too.
In Footnote 8 of Smith's July 1, 1999 Order, Smith says:
"Some of the more outrageous claims made by the Plaintiffs, which have absolutely no factual support, include the allegations that FBI agents (or the Delta force) entered the compound on foot, placed an explosive device on top of the concrete bunker ... Such information is supported by the rankest hearsay and other suspect sources and is totally inadmissible in a legal proceeding ... "
Judge Smith could be talking about his own comments, of course, but he isn't. He is attacking Clark's unsupported assertion about FBI agents placing an explosive device on the roof of the concrete room, as well he might. But by leaving Clark's statement on the location of the fireball unchallenged, Smith added validity to that lie. None dare call it collusion ...
This loose-knit coalition of Caddell's includes Gordon Novel (Ramsey Clark's investigator, see above) and Michael McNulty, the co-producer and director of research for the video "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" and researcher for "Waco: A New Revelation."
Elsewhere in the article Hancock discusses the motivation of the "Waco network." Some of them, says Hancock " ... can't accept that authorities did not save the 17 children who died when the Davidians' compound burned on April 19, 1993." Given this concern for the dead children and the frustration at the government's stonewalling, we might expect that Caddell would use the best evidence concerning their deaths, particularly as this evidence is publicly available and voluminous.
We refer here to the Autopsy Reports which have been available from the office of the Justice of the Peace in McLennan County, Texas, since their release in 1993. Copies of the children's Autopsy Reports have been available on the World Wide Web in the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum since the Fall of 1996, approximately one year before Caddell filed the suit.
But Caddell, like Lyons and Clark, ignores specifics. Instead of making precise statements of fact about the deaths and backing those statements with Autopsy Reports and other forensic evidence, Caddell prefers generalities and recites the usual litany:
" ... on April 19, 1993, in a long-planned operation, federal agents used tanks to crush the Church's buildings and insert CS gas which disabled and injured the Branch Davidians. Subsequently a fire began and rapidly consumed the Church. Most Branch Davidians were trapped because the tanks had crushed staircases and blocked exits and because the CS gas handicapped their escape. The federal agents had no firefighting equipment on the scene and delayed any equipment's subsequent arrival ... Many Branch Davidians died from the fire, smoke and CS gas inhalation and falling debris." (pg. 3).
Which Branch Davidian died of which cause? Don't ask, Caddell won't tell.
Remember, each of the dead Davidians was a distinct person. Each died his own death. Each death was caused by a specific cause or combination of causes. These causes of death were inflicted by a specific agency. In this specificity, Caddell, Clark, Ramsey, the judge, and apparently the Department of Justice defense lawyers show a remarkable lack of interest.
"Doyle survived Monday's inferno, but his 18-year old daughter, Shari, and several grandchildren apparently did not ... Doyle's former wife, Deborah (sic) Brown, who left the cult and now lives outside Waco, has told reporters her marriage to Doyle in 1970 was one of convenience arranged by cult leaders. She said she was 16 at the time and that the sole purpose of the union was to provide a legal way for Doyle, an Australian printer, to live in this county.
"The Doyles had two daughters, Shari and Karen, who is now 21. Karen has been living in the Branch Davidians house in LaVere, Calif. Shari became one of Koresh's 'wives' and bore his children."
Clive Dolye's grandchildren do not appear on his list of dead, nor do
they appear on the list of those who left the Mt. Carmel Center during
This writer interviewed Clive Doyle some years ago and asked him the whereabouts of his grandchildren. Clive denied that he had grandchildren, saying his ex-wife had been "mistaken" when she thought she had grandchildren. He explained that his ex-wife had seen photos of daughter Shari in the newspaper holding another Davidian's baby, and concluded Shari was holding her own baby.
It now seems that perhaps Debborah Brown agrees she was "mistaken" about having grandchildren. She has become a plaintiff in the civil suit, claiming damages for the death of Shari. But Brown does not claim damages for the grandchildren.
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Many people who distrust the mainstream media have turned to alternate news sources, some of which are Internet based. Unfortunately, many of these alternate sources of news simply promote an alternate series of lies. These alternate lies are of course dressed up as "exposés." But you can easily tell the phonies from the real thing. The information in the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum is an acid test.
Does your news source promote Mike McNulty's video, Waco: The Rules of Engagement or wring its hands because the Davidian law suit against the government failed? (See Waco Documentary Is A Hoax! and Waco Suits for Waco Suckers.) Does your alternate news source carry promotional pieces about rebuilding the Davidian church in Waco and mouth nice words about "healing"? (See The Cover-up Church.)
Remember, since ancient times, inquiries into questionable deaths have started with the bodies of the victims. If your news source won't give you an honest and full account of the forensic information on Waco, or if it does not have a link to the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum ... your alternate news has failed a fundamental acid test.
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